Interview — 2026-08-10

It. Hello? Oh, okay. I'm from san Diego, so SoCal, but. Okay. Okay, wait. So like a couple things. Like, first of all, I, I think I really resonate with the impact of it all. I think, like, I, I think that's also part of why I really fell in love with the csecon major. Okay. I think in like medicine, a lot of what we do is like, we save what's already there. But I think if you are doing something business related or like computer science adjacent, then you're like actively creating. And I feel like, yeah, I don't think I've gotten that much of aversive creativity before. So it's like to have the same impact that you've always wanted to have, but like, in a different way where you can like impact more by like creating something. I think that's just like so cool. For sure. Yeah, 100%. But so you're. It was Dean Jang your like, name Dean in the first place? It was Dean Holland, but I think she's Dean Jane is in charge of like the people who are deferring, I think is what it is. Yeah. Have you, have you talked to Raphael Davis? He also deferred. I know of him. I think I talked to him like one time But I'm not super close. Wait, Rafa is really nice, but I think he just, like, did more research during his gap year. He just wanted a year off. Just like, some really flexible research. Yeah. Okay, wait, I feel like this is. So Dean Roth is my main dean. Okay, nice. I actually just applied. I just got approval to graduate a semester early, so. Oh, wait, that's super cool. I also just kind of wanted a gap year because I like. Yeah. Like, really cut and locked in. I got the college, which is, like, kind of cramped, so I literally all my classes, so now I have this opportunity. That's awesome. A semester of tuition, which is crazy. Okay. That's good. But now I need to. I want to work during that semester, so I want to. And I was actually thinking about, like, trying to recruit for, like, tech or something. Okay. DM'd me yesterday. I was like, oh, my gosh, this is perfect. Yeah. Just thinking about that. Yeah. Like, I guess I just wanted to know, like, why. Okay, so why did you recruit specifically for, like, Google, number one. And like, second of all, like, do you like being a school? You said that you were trying to figure out if you actually, like, corporate and like, how do you feel like you'll come back to med, like, maybe after like the second year? Because I know that we only get like two years. Oh, is that what it is? Interesting. You definitely did your research more than I did. But no, I. Dean. Dean Roth has been convinced that I'm gonna drop out of the program. Really? By our second meeting. So honestly, staying at home a lot just because I get to work remotely, so things have been very calm for me. Interesting. That's an interesting thing to say. I feel like. Wait, yeah, like, our second meeting. I'm like this like, little freshman, and she's like, it's okay. Hey, if you drop out, I hope you know. Interesting. And she was like, I'll still be your dean. Don't even worry. When did I say that? So she, like, has, like, kind of educated me to some degree on all the, like, plenty bylaws or whatever. And have you talked to. What's his name? A dude named Justin? Like, Justin? No, he's a med student right now. I just. What is his name? What's his last name? It sounds familiar. I like low key and struggling to remember. Justin Kim. I like. Okay, I don't think I know him. So he deferred three years. Interesting. Is it like computational research or is it more of, like, wet lab? Interesting. Now I think he's second or third year med student. Yeah. Justin came back to med school recently and he was my TA for one of my. For my data science piece, pce. Okay. And he ended up, like, leaving to do startups, so. Oh, interesting. Okay. I need to Search this guy up. Interesting. Yeah, he, he's like, hard to find on LinkedIn. I'll explain. Send you the right profile. Justin Kim's a common name, apparently. Yeah, it's a very common name. Let's see, is he in San Francisco right now, do you know? I know he's like back at med school, but. It's mainly computational, so I've been doing a lot of outcomes research, so I've been doing some cardiology stuff at Jefferson. And then initially I was doing. Last summer I was working at Penn, so I just finished up a project with that, but I finished that really early in the summer. And then beyond that, I've just been doing some outcomes work with some people at the med school. Oh, he's back. I see. Okay. Okay, interesting. But he's. I feel like he's a cool person to talk to because I think he did something CS adjacent. Yeah. And then I ended up doing an internship for his co founders. Oh, okay. That's cool. Wait, that's really cool. Interesting. So I feel like, wait, yeah, I found his profile, but yeah, he said that you're not supposed to differ three years, but he just got like a specific exemption because of something. Yeah, I'm sure they make exceptions as long as you have a good reason. So I was just like, okay, sorry. I, like, really digress. So no, no, you're good to go back to my questions, I guess. Like, why Google? Why? Sweet. Do you like it and do you want to continue or do you think you'll come back? Yeah, so that's like three questions. So I think the first part is like, why Google? There's a couple reasons. Like the first being that like a lot of tech companies, like, let's just say I don't know how familiar you are with like other companies, but like there's. I feel like a lot of companies are specialized in like one thing. Like, for example, if you know, stripe, they focus a lot on like financial infrastructure or, you know, what's it called, like, even Amazon, right? Like, they are very hard set on doing like, delivery and packaging. And I actually interned there. Like I was on the robotics team, but like a lot of them, in my opinion, they don't have much beyond that. But I think what's good about Google is that it's so big where like, I'm not. To be honest, I'm not on like a really great team right now. I'm on like YouTube comments, which, like, isn't where I want to be. But what's really good about Google is that you can like, switch and like, there's a lot of cool teams here. Like, I don't know if you've seen like the research that Google's been putting out, but there's like, like Medjemma, which is like a medical language model that they're developing. I know somebody there, so I'm trying to contact them. And there's actually another plmy or there's two plmies right now at Google, which is kind of interesting. And we all have, like, pretty similar goals. And the other guy, he actually finished. You can search him up. His name is. I'll put in the chat. Abdullah Ahmed. I'm actually gonna chat with him next week. I already, like, talked to him like two weeks ago. We met at an event or something. But he actually graduated medical school and is currently an engineer at Google and he's working on multimodal imaging and language for, I think for medical applications. I'm not sure what exactly he's working on, which is why I want to chat with him, but that's what he told me, so I think that's really cool. There's a lot of areas where you can apply your, I guess your interest in medical to. Or computer science and medical together. Whereas other companies, I just feel like you're going to become, or like if you join them, you're just going to become like a software engineer, not really working on things that you care about. I think that's like, really important to me. The other guy, I think his name is Saho Gupta. I'm not sure if you've heard of him. He's my year. Wait, you know Sahil, Is he coming back? Nikki and Ishaan? Oh, okay. Wait, what's the outcomes work, by the way? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was texting him last night. He's. He's a. He's in New York though, so he's not really close to me, but we've been in contact. He actually just started like last week. I think he's planning on potentially coming back. Yeah, he's at Google. Yeah. I thought he was at Microsoft. I think he interned there. Like, we're all. To be honest, me and Sahil are really similar because we're just like trying a bunch of things. Like I was, I was also at Apple, so we're just trying whatever. But, like all cracked cs. No, no, no, no. Definitely not. Definitely not. But we're just trying a bunch of things. We're seeing what we like and I guess we both just ended up at the same place, which is pretty funny. So. But he's working on. I think he likes his team because it's more like AI focused is what he told me. But he said that maybe in like a year or two, there's like a decent chance he'll like, come back to medical school. So we'll see. But at least for another year or two. Yeah, I see. I like. Well, do you know Ishan? I'm assuming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ishan and I Took a bunch of like, CS classes together. So we're really tight. Awesome. So Ishan and I were like, I think I'm sure he knows this about Sahel by now. But like, when Sahil was like working, I think at Palantir. It's, like, all for CT surgery. Like, things like. Like, I've just been finishing a lot of, like, the data for some, like, ongoing papers, so. I just finished up a cardiac sarcoidosis paper a month ago. Yeah, so it's like, kind of adjacent to the selkie lab, but I'm not, like, actually in the lab. Oh yeah. On his semester off. Right. Like, Ishaan couldn't figure out if he was going to come back to med and he was like getting worried because him and and Sahil are like super tight. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, really? Oh, interesting. I didn't know that he hadn't. Like, I don't think Sahil had decided yet. So Ishan was like, dude, like, I have to like playing grad stuff. Lol. Like, and Sahil's coming back for grad, but I don't know if he's coming back for med school. Oh my God. Lol. And he was. Yeah, but he probably doesn't know either. Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I think both of us are like in similar places where like there's. Okay, maybe he's more leaning towards medical school because I think last time he told me it was like 80%. For me it's maybe like 50%. It's kind of on the edge. I think maybe this will answer like the second question that you asked. Like, why software engineering? Honestly, like, I don't particularly like software engineering, especially because, like, if you're from. Do you know cloud code? I'm assuming you do. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Right. So, like, the issue is that it's not really like a job, in my opinion, where I can develop, like, myself. Like, I think medical school is because, like, you're becoming a doctor, you're learning skills, you're learning new things that other people can't really learn and you're kind of differentiating yourself. I think with software engineering, especially with cloud code, you're not really learning anything. You're not learning new skills. And I just feel like it's not really somewhere where I can grow as a person. Like, I think monetarily I could grow, but like, I think as a person, not really. So it's not that fulfilling to me. But I am kind of getting more interested in like tech and startups and also like, as I said earlier, just like areas where I can apply, like computer science with medicine. And I think Google is a place like that. And if I'm able to get into like a more researchy role or like the AI ML role, I feel like that would be better suited for me. What I'm currently thinking, that makes a lot of sense. Got you, got you. Okay, wait, are you interested in, like, CS or like, computation or what's the. What's your background in? Yeah. Wait, what was the. What was the third question? It was, like, about if you're coming back or like, oh, if I'm coming back. I see. Yeah. I feel like I answered that. Yeah. Like, it's just like, it's kind of 50, 50 right now. Like, the issue is that I have to decide by October, I think, is what it is, which is, like, I don't. I don't have that much time, but I think that's the point of the year. I'm just trying to figure out, like, whether I actually like it, whether this is the life for me or I want to go back to medical school. So it's very on the edge for me. I feel like the good thing is you definitely have. It's so nice to have that backup. Like, I think people keep telling me about how, like, lucky I am to, like, be in this position for sure, where I have all the options that I could want and they're all good options. Yeah. Which is, like, that's. I feel like it's nice to, like, you know, be gratitude core. Yeah. I would say this to you, but for sure. I feel like that's a tough deadline. No, I mean, I appreciate Pleamy so much. Like, it's the reason why I could explore what I could explore. Like, if I was a pre med at, like, other schools, it's like, I don't have that flexibility, so. Oh, my God, bro. Or even if you do, like, an early assurance program, you're still, like, two years of college or gone basically. Right. Like, they just had flexmed come out, and, like, all of my best friends have gotten in, which is, like, I'm so happy for them. Well, like, my major, csecon. Dang. Okay, so. But, like, now they've, like, still, like, grinded it for two years. Yeah. And they're either just gonna, like, their plan is to, like, not really do anything anymore now because, like, yay. I just got this acceptance. I'm just gonna slack for the rest of college, like, minimum what I have to do for the requirements, or they're just gonna keep going with their pre med majors, and they never really explored anything beyond that. Yeah, 100%. But I think that's why, like, I reached out to you, because I feel like I really respect people who kind of go out of their comfort zone. Like, I don't know. I feel like I saw a lot of preemies who did, like, neuroscience or biology, and I'm just like, I wish you guys would, like, maybe explore something else, but, like, obviously, like, you know, respect for them too, but I really like, it when, like, isolated, Isolating. Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel isolated when you were, like, isolated from Plimi rather. Yeah. Like back when you were in college. I think so. Like, I think other than the plmies, like, nobody really knew that I was a plimi because I was just another cs. Yeah. This is, like, pretty nice. I kind of like being incognito. Hi. Can you hear me? Okay. Yeah, I think it is nice. Yeah. And then when they kind of figure it out, you're just like, oh, I'm actually a plimie. And then they're like, oh, wow, okay. Like, that's so surprising. Yeah. But they don't, like, care at all. Which is the best part. Part 100%. But wait, is. Is there something you wanted to do, like, during that gap year in terms of, like, something you wanted to explore? Because I know you said you wanted to do something with the computer science side. Yeah, I think, like, now that I've done kind of like the economy side of my degree, I wanted to do something with the CS side. So I'm not like, a wonder, you know? Yeah. So I feel like. But the thing is, it's just like, an awkward time. But also, I haven't really recruited for SUI or anything along the lines. So I guess, like, since this is more of your world, I was just wondering, like, what advice you have, if that's something I want to do, if there are things that I could do during that timing and, like, what the best strategy would be. Yeah, I think there's like, a bunch of different strategies. Like, I think an issue with companies like Google or, like, big companies is that, like, you're just going to be another applicant, like, another software engineering applicant, and you're going to have to go through the process like anyone else. I guess, like, the question here is, like, what exactly do you want to do with the CS degree? Right. Like, I think I actually know somebody from. Do you know Open Evidence by any chance? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I actually, like, know some people in Open Evidence, and I feel like there's companies like that that would, like, appreciate, like, your health background. Right, right. But, like, maybe Google. Like, when I applied, I didn't even say I was a ple me. Like, it doesn't. It doesn't really help. Yeah. I didn't tell McKenzie I was a ple when I recruit. I just leave it out. Am interested, but I feel like I've never done anything, like, super. Like, I've never done, like, a traditional sweet internship. Yeah. So I think it's a question of, like, what exactly, like, you kind of are interested in and want to work on. Like, is there a part. Do you want to integrate healthcare? Do you just Want like a. Do you want to try out software engineering? I feel like, I don't know, like, I think for me I really want something that'll like grow me technically. Okay. I think like I would definitely be happy to do something that like combines a lot of this stuff with like what I do with healthcare and med. But I think more than that, like, because I have limited time, I just want like a really like growth heavy reporting experience that I can like walk away from with a lot of like technical background to the point that like I can like call on that same background eventually. Like one day when I want to, if I do want to walk away from medicine like completely, I think I'll definitely walk away part time. But like to. If I want to go into like med tech, sure. Will I be able to use that experience? Okay, interesting. Which I do. I think I want to go into med tech eventually. Okay. Yeah, me too. That's interesting. Okay, that's cool. And is it like when you say grow technically, like is that in terms of like engineering? Is that in terms of like, like how do you, how do you define that? I feel like I'm still trying to figure out how to define that. I think like definitely more on the engineering side because I feel like that's kind of cool to me. Yeah. And kind of like what you said with Claude code and all of that. I think I just want to develop more of the systems thinking mind, especially in the realm of cs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. And I saw that you were, like, really into, like, consulting. Is that what you're, like, aiming for right now, or. Yeah, I think that like I give a bad representation of like software engineering. Like I probably give a bad rep. But like when you join like somewhere like Google maybe, like I'm gonna get completely transparent. I feel like growing technically would be pretty hard just because of like the work you're doing is scoped by like a manager. And like I just feel like engineers at Google or big tech, they're not known to move fast. I think the best places would be either startups or companies that are really growing, even open evidence. I'm not sure if you're familiar with stripe databricks or if you're really ambitious cognition, these AI companies. If you're super ambitious, you can also look into OpenAI anthropic obviously, but interesting. Okay. Because I, I do know a lot of people in the tech industry and I'm like happy to like give you like a referral, try to place you in wait. That would be really helpful I guess like for someone who like hasn't really like done everything recruiting related, like where would you suggest to start? Like obviously I've like leetcoded. Oh, okay. Interesting. But I'm like, okay. Not the best at leetcode. I think, like, I would just do my CS homework and that's fun. I enjoy the theory, but I don't think I, like, build enough. So I think that's, like, probably my pitfall. Wait, I think that you're probably already at the right place in terms of, like, recoding and really. But I feel like everyone says you have to do, like, a bajillion more things. I don't know, really the ultimate goat and know everything and, like, be, like, a physics champion or, like. No, definitely not. Definitely not. I think that, like, I think the thing with, like, recruiting is that you just have to word it the correct way. And, like, you don't want. Obviously you don't want to lie, but, like, if you just stretch it and say the things that you're doing in a way that applies to software engineering, I think that's what works on your resume. But they. I guess, like, they are right that you kind of need projects. So if you want, like, a software engineering role, like a general role, you should definitely put projects in. But I don't know. I think that, like, one of the ways I'm thinking in my mind, if I. If I can place you somewhere, it would probably be, like, easier to, like, tell people that you have a background in, like, consulting and healthcare. Because, like, if you look at, like, a pool of people and, like, you're just trying to mold into the same group of people, you're just gonna look exactly the same. And so, like. Right. And, like, because they also did computer science early on, you might be, like, falling behind. But if you actually look at yourself as, like, a person and, like, what you've been doing and the stories you can tell and the uniqueness of, like, what you've been doing in terms of, like, consulting, computer science, healthcare, like, how many people have been actually doing that? Like, probably zero. Right? Like, I'm not doing any of that. I don't know anyone that's doing anything like that. So I think the best way is to paint yourself uniquely and see if, like, you can get into those kind of companies that would appreciate it, and I can definitely help you out with that. Wait, yeah, that would be so helpful. Yeah. Because I'm actually talking to a guy who was a chief of staff for Dino Voyo. It's a very small company, but. Okay. No, I don't. I feel like. Okay, so I've definitely been side questing, which. They're basically. It's not small. It's like, do you know what Neolabs are by any chance. Wait, I do know Neolabs, I just don't. I've never heard of oil. Okay, yeah, but they're basically like a super fast growing company and they develop, like, AI foundation models for, I think, like, pathology and imaging. And I just met the chief of staff of them. And funny story is that he is he actually gone into Plimi, and he was supposed to be in my class, and that's how we kind of connected. It was really interesting. It was so funny when I told him, I'm Plimi, and he's like, oh, I was going to be in Plimi. He eventually took Berkeley full ride. But anyway, all that to say, the founder of Voya was actually also a Pliny. So, like, they are. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you just reach out to them, which I can also put a good word in, connect you with the guy, like, I'm sure they would appreciate your background a lot more and put you maybe into a role that you're more interested in. Wait, that would be so dope. I'm like, looking at this right now. Oh, it's. It's vision language for radiology. Okay. This is, like, to me, my mom's a radiologist. Oh, okay. Up in the reading room. And now she consults for, like, tech companies. Really? Okay, wait, that's so cool. Test out their AI models. So she, like, helps label and things like that. Okay, that's good. Wait, that's so cool. I feel like this is just, like, so funny to me. Wait, that's perfect. Everything she always talks about at home. Interesting. Okay, wait, was. Was your family, like, is your family like a family of doctors? Is that why, like. Okay, okay, Nice. What I'm used to. So, like. But my parents don't actually want me to go into medicine, which is, like, funny because they're both physicians. And then my uncle is too. But I think beyond that. Like, so my mom's a radiologist, My dad's a cardiothoracic surgeon, but my parents. So I'm not really tight with my dad. Okay. But my mom has always been like, don't do medicine. Why are you doing this? You're so cringe. She actually told me not to even apply to brown or plain because she was like, you're not even gonna get in. Like, why are you wasting your time right now? Interesting. So I think she just has kind of, like, accepted that this is what I want to do. That she's, like, going to radiology at all. Please, please, please. That as a former P. You must have done the same if you're at Google now. Okay. I'd like some Compromised opinions. Now that would be funny if you were actually going to be a radiologist. It's like, oh, I don't want you to become a doctor and then become a doctor, and then I don't want you to go to radiology. Become radiologist. Imagine. Wait, no, I. I actively don't want to be a radiologist because I really cannot pinpoint where the field is going. Yeah. And she can't either. So I think it's like, also, I think I've really fallen in love with surgery, so I'm pretty sure that's what I want to do. Oh, okay. Surgery. I think I really like working with my hands. Like, I've always enjoyed sewing and like, hands on things growing up. And then I think surgery is just like, I just really enjoy being in the or and I think I just like, fit well into the culture there. So. Yeah, to that. And I really, like, don't like, just like the regular clinical things as much. So, like, I don't think I could just do like, neurology or like internal med. I've like, shadowed, and I don't think it's necessarily for me. And I feel like I can put up with the surgeon lifestyle. Okay. Also, surgical robots are so dope. Yeah, 100%. 100%. Yeah. So I feel like just like even being in that proximity is awesome. Wait. Yeah, it's so cool. Interesting. Okay, but have you been, like, sewing, like, since you were a child? Is that how, like, you got into, like, more hands on things? I started, like, sewing in middle school slash high school. I like, took a big break, so I'm like, not very good anymore. But I do have a sewing machine. If I had more room, I would bring it to me. Bring it with me to Brown. Yeah. But I like to tinker and do things like that. I really want to start embroidery soon because I feel like that'll help me keep up with it. Oh, okay. Interesting, huh? That's really cool. And wait, why did you want to go into medicine? Sorry for cutting you off. Yeah, I think it's very funny. Like, I think a lot of people that I've talked to have very similar stories. Like the guy I was telling you about that also gone to Bram play, he had a pretty similar story. But I think the commonality here is that, like, a lot of people, their backstory comes from, like, talking to a doctor, which is like, in your case, your mom. And like, they tell you not to do medicine, which I was told the same thing. Like, I was just curious about it because I did a lot of like, research since, like, middle school, like, bio research. And I was just like, you know what? Like, I feel like there's research and then there's, like, things happening in the hospital. I wonder if, like, how it kind of translates. And so that's why I wanted to shadow doctors. But it was interesting because, like, the first doctor that I talked to was like, no, you shouldn't do it because, like, the hours are so long. It just sucks. You might as well just choose a career that's more lucrative. You can get money earlier. And, you know, the hours are horrible. And, like, she's like, on call or whatever. And so I was like, interesting. But I think the reason why I like it and that I kind of came to, like, it was just because of, like, I think I said, kind of said earlier why I chose computer science, but this is also why I chose medicine was, like, the impact, Like, I'm really somebody who likes helping people and, like, having impact on people's lives at scale. And, like, I think I, when I shadowed her, even though she's like, oh, yeah, I hate medicine, the thing that she was doing every day was, like, basically devoting her entire life to help people. And I don't think there's any job in the world like that. And that's kind of how I fell in love with medicine, so. And why apply? Yeah. I think it's interesting, though. All of us have, like, a very similar story. Yeah. I think that's why I wanted to keep going with medicine, like, despite my mom being, like, so off about it. So I think I side quested a lot and I side quested my way into consulting. Yeah. Because I think I had the exact same experience. Like, I just, like, had the best time rounding and, like, getting to know the patients and actively seeing their treatment progress. There was this, like, one patient whose, like, kidney started failing post op, and everyone, like, all the residents were like, yeah, bro, she's literally going to die in a week. Like, don't come back next week if you don't want to be there for that and come back. And she actually, like, had a really great progression and she, like, made it out. And I like, bro, this is so dope. If I could see more people like that, I think I would be really, like, immeasurably happy. Yeah, I think you can, like, actually make a difference in how you, like, do treatment. That's just. I think I want to do that. Interesting. And do you also, like, see computer science as something that, like, would help you? I guess, like, help as many people as you want. Wait. Absolutely. I feel like I really want to be at the forefront of Medical innovation. And I think that's where CS comes in. Yeah. Like, I think that's kind of how we interact with technology now. And without that, I really don't see having as much skill as we could have. Yeah. Like with Drug Disco for example, like all the models that are coming out, it's like, it's so cool to see. Yeah. And like now they're like able to create more drugs at scale for less with less research time. I think like if I was like way more into chem, I'd totally go into drug disco. Like drug disco. Haha. Okay. For sure. Yeah. I think like that is like, I totally resonate with the scale thing. That's why I wanted to do. That's why I fall in love with cs. Like initially it was kind of like, what am I doing with this degree? And my like, I think CS is worth, like you should do that. Because she was like, you'll have something to fall back on if you decide to listen to me and not go into medicine. Yeah. So then it was really worth for me and I feel like the econ was just. I always liked econ and I think you should know business to some degree if you do want to innovate and scale something too. Yeah, totally. Wait, that's awesome. Interesting. And wait. Yeah. Oh wait. No, no, no, go ahead. No, you go ahead. I was just like. Wait, so you reached out to me? Like, I guess, like why? Like you, you kind of mentioned that it's because you don't see a lot of like cleanies doing like. Yeah, beyond bio type things. But also like, who else have you reached out to? Or like I feel like I haven't really done what you're doing, like reaching out to enough people. No, no, no. Yeah, I think there's like, I guess there's multiple reasons. Like the first one is like I remember when I was like a sophomore and like I wanted to intern at this place called Path AI. I don't know if you heard of them. It's also founded by Plimmi. And the CEO actually did respond and I was like, I really want to work there. Like, please get me in. I was like so desperate because I thought it was so interesting. You can search it up later. I think his name is Andrew Beck. I think he got acquired recently, but back then he was still a growing company in Boston. And so I was so interested in it. And so I reached out to like the deans, but what I. Oh, I think you're frozen. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. So that's what I'm doing for the time being. So, I mean, did back when you were there, did they have grc? Because I feel like that's newer. Okay. Cool. But I think what I kind of realized was like there's not much connection in the plimi space for people that are non like traditional in terms of like their path into medicine. Like when I reached out to all the deans, like none of them could help me because like, I mean obviously they would if they could. But all their connections are just like, you know, doctors, hospitals, et cetera. But there's no network of people who are just doing something different. And that's kind of why I wanted to reach out to a bunch of people, like build like a network of people who are just doing non traditional paths in medicine and build a network around it. Right. Like I can refer you to people in Voyo or I'm trying to talk to more people in open evidence if that also interests you. And I think that like other people have other, you know, interests in doing different things. Like the guy I kind of mentioned, Abdullah, he's at Google but working a lot of medical things. So I'm sure I can talk to him and he could help me like get into a more medical related project. I'm sure. So I think having that kind of network is something I want to build up and that's why I reached out to everyone. And going off the other question I've already talked to, I actually talked to other plimmies this week too. But the ones I talked to I kind of talked about already. Abdullah, I talked to Saul Hill last night. Who else did I talk to? My calendar actually. It's interesting though because I also saw some plemis who are doing, you know, yc. Right. So you talked to Tin? I didn't talk to him yet, but I did reach out to him. He didn't respond, unfortunately. Really bad at responding. Okay. He was closest friends freshman year actually. Interesting. Okay. He used to clown on me for doing CS and then he his major the next year. That's so funny. But yeah, I'm trying to, I'm trying to get in contact with him. I'm sure he responds someday. Give you his number if you ever want. I. I don't have much luck because he's super busy right now. Yeah, I can hear you. As a consultant, I don't Think so. No. Yeah. But yeah, definitely. Yeah, if you're gonna give that to me, that'll be, that'll be awesome. Yeah, for sure. But there's also some other pleamies. Do you know Ryan Zhang? I shot him a message. Aaron Kim, she was the Hakka Brown president last year, I think. Wait, I don't. Are they. I'm assuming that they're like older than me? Yeah, you're 2028, I think. Okay. Yeah, I think they're 2027. Oh, okay. That makes sense. I don't know. A lot of the rising seniors, I don't know that year too well. Okay. Okay. But yeah, I mean, maybe one day I can just like create like a group chat or something or post second event. I don't know. We'll see. But I think just having like a network of people and like building relationship with people is like something that I want to do. So I think that's really admirable. I feel like. I think that's definitely what a lot of the non traditional plinies need. Like speaking from personal experience. Yeah, I mean that's like definitely what I wanted like as a, as a play, me trying to get into these internships and like, I totally understand like what you mean by like or like the questions you're asking in terms of like, oh, how do I get in? Right. Because like, I feel like the deans and like the plemis can't really help you out that much, especially if they're in a traditional path. But like, I can definitely help you out with that. Do you know when you're going to be looking? Because I'm assuming you're going to graduate a semester early and then did you want to start that semester? Yeah. So like I'll be graduating December 27th and then immediately, I guess, like, I don't know, like January 28th to like July or June 28th. Yeah, so I think, like, we've definitely become more mainstream as a consulting club, but I joined that my freshman year and I've just been doing that for a while. And I think because of that and the consulting culture that has honestly taken over Brown, that I ended up recruiting and stuff. But then I realized, like, it really isn't for me. So I turned down some offers and stuff. Okay. Up until I want to work. Yeah. The issues, like, I. I guess like to some degree I wanted to maybe like work at McKinsey. It's like I already have that relationship, but like, number one, I wanted to explore a different field in the first place. Yeah. And then even if I wanted to do the McKinsey thing, they want me to like fully defer med school for them to employ me for that time. And I'm just not. I don't think I want to differ. Med school, at least for now, like, is my mindset interesting. Wait, did you tell them that you got into medical school? I told them after I got the offer. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, like Google doesn't know that I got into med school. So, dude, I like ended up being like, I don't want them to find out when they do my background check. So I told them the day I got the offer, like after, when they gave us like this dinner with all the partners. Wait, so I think you kind of. You recruited for what again? Oh, okay. They were really nice about it and they were like, oh my gosh, you should talk to this person, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh, okay. So they were super chill. Yeah, definitely. Interesting. I mean, I'm sure McKinsey's, like, background check is more rigorous. Like, I feel like I saw Google's background check and I'm like, they're not gonna figure this out. But even if they do, it's like, I don't think it's a big deal for them. Yeah, I agree. I feel like it's never really, like, that big of a deal. Yeah. Oh, this just got me thinking. So I don't know if you ever did, like, the Pliny Summer mentor program? It was last summer. I don't think so. I don't know if I've heard of it. Wait, I did that. I. I don't know who made it, but they just, like, I don't know, like, Dave Barnes sent out some emails, blah, blah, blah. Last summer I did that, and it was like, such a good experience because they matched me with, like, basically just the older, plenty version of myself. Because she also did cs. She's the same type of Indian as me, which is, like, rare breed type beat. Okay. And so I was like, whoa, this is crazy. And she also worked at Google, went back to med school. Like, it ended up deferring because they had some weird stuff going on with COVID That's when she was graduating. Oh, I see a family med resident. She just finished residency, actually. Now she's in attending at ucsf, but. I recruited for finance initially. Okay, so she's gonna say if you ever want to, like, talk to her, that's. That's a connection I can offer you. Okay, interesting. Wait, what's her. What's her name? Her name is Shreya Ramaya. Interesting. Okay, I'll definitely reach out. They, like, paired me with her through the alumni mentor program, and we're still, like, really close. We're in touch. I, like, came to SF recently because I did the YC startup school thing. Oh, I was there too. Interesting. Oh, no way. So I did that, and then I, like, met up with her before that, and she just, like, drove me to San Jose. Oh, that's so cool. Oh, wow. He's like. She's so nice, but definitely, like, a cool person to talk to. Even though she's not really on, like, the tech side anymore. Oh, okay. I see. I mean. Yeah, I feel like she has that background, which is really, really interesting. Yeah. I think in my understanding at Google, they did let her work a little bit on, like, some mildly health adjacent roles. Okay. Oh, I see that. Yeah. Google health. Wait, that's so cool. She, like, I think still kind of consults for tech companies right now. Or she did while she was, like, in med school, slash, as a resident. Yeah. Wait, that's so cool. Interesting. She's class of 2018. Dang. Okay. Wow. She's like, 28 now. Yeah. 28. 28. Dang. Wait, that's so cool. Interesting. Yeah, go ahead. Oh, wait, just so, like, I'm. I can connect you with the right people. Like, are you. Do you want to work in big tech, or did you want to work in somewhere that, like, purely, like, develops your technical skills? I feel like, honestly, I'd be open to either. I feel like, too flexing to really know a concrete answer to that question right now. Yeah. And then I just decided I didn't actually want to do that. Yeah, yeah, of course. Okay, that makes sense. I can definitely reach out to the right people. And also, like, I'm at Google, so it's like, I can give you a referral too. That's okay. Thank you. It's okay. Okay. Okay. Are you sure? Wait, what do you mean? Like, give you, like, a referral for Google? Wait, yes. But, like, I don't know when the timeline for that would be. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I guess also look into it, because December 2027. Okay, I'll look into it on my side. Yeah, if, like, if that works, like, yes, I would love the referral. Thank you so much. Okay. For sure. Okay. Very cool. Awesome. Is there anything else? I'm trying to think. I feel like you've, like, answered all my questions for the most part. I feel like now that I can answer or that I can't give you, like, more resources. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Interesting. It's like, wait, why like consulting if I can ask, like, instead of like. Because I think a lot of cleanies, they kind of explore different things, which is the interesting part about like, the whole flexibility part. Like, some of them, you know, they do like finance or some of them do computer science, or some of them do even just like a bunch of different things that I've seen, like art history. Is there a reason why you chose, like, consulting? No, no, no, wait. Not at all. I mean, I'm just reaching out to a bunch of people and trying to create, like, a network. And, like, obviously, like, I'm more than happy to, like, help out as many people as possible, and that's kind of my goal. So. Yeah, wait, I'll find Shreya's email, so I can also send you that. Let me find that real quick. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. And she, like, put me in touch with, like, a bunch of the startup people, so she put me in touch with Justin and then the CEO of Navi, which is a startup that I interned for last year. Oh, I got my internship. Lol. Yeah, well, I feel like that's, like, the power of networking. Yeah. So I think hopefully she'll probably also be able to put you in touch with, like, the right people, especially given, like, the shared Google time. Yeah, wait. Absolutely. Okay, let me just find that. Also, I feel like. Wait, Yeah, I found her personal one, which is like easier because I don't think she's as responsive on her alumni one. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, here it is. And then also, do you mind if I get your number? I can. I feel like for why I chose consulting, I think, like, part of it is because I kind of feel like I accidentally found myself on that path pretty early on because I just stumbled into joining consulting club early on. And then, like, as my time with the club grew and like my leadership positions grew, I just felt like that was like, natural steps for me. And I think, I think right now consulting is pretty interwoven with finance. I was also in like an investment group. That's kind of why I ended up recruiting finance too. I think I, like, realized I had free will after that. Oh yeah, yeah. Totally easier to reach than on LinkedIn. Oh, yeah, no, no, yeah. I feel like LinkedIn is kind of. I feel like you're really fast. Out of all the people that I messaged, you were like the fastest, which I really appreciated. Got me on a really good day because I've deleted all my social media and I have LinkedIn deleted, but I got a Gmail notification. Okay. Okay. That's awesome. So I was like, oh, okay. I did. Yeah. Interesting. Wait, this is. Bro, I'm just like so flabbergasted. Wait, no, no, I feel like that that's what people should be doing. I feel like, like especially being in a tight knit community like Plimi, it's just like the we should be like helping each other out kind of thing. And I feel like that's what I'm trying to do. Wait, this is true. I think. And I think that's so admirable. I think I'm. I'm gonna just give you text so you have my number. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Also, was there anything else besides sewing that you were interested in as a child that made you want to do medicine or is it like purely like sewing and getting your hands dirty? I guess for me it was also kind of like the bio thing. Like I think I started solidifying my interest in medicine like once I started doing bio research. And I was like, I like this, but I want to apply it to see visible impact in people. Yeah, that's kind of why medicine. And also just like it was like specifically, I think I knew for sure like that I guess that post op patient that I told you about, that's when I knew like for sure. This is for me. But I think like other things growing up as a child, I don't know, like low key. I was just like nerdcore and I didn't really do that much. That was me too. So really, I think the first inclination is in my kindergarten yearbook. It says that I wanted to be a pediatrician. Oh, wow. I do have like recorded evidence of. Yeah. Wait, that's so cool. What the heck? Interesting. I feel like when I was that age I was like, I want to be an astronaut or something. Wait, I was like, I don't know why, I was just being like nerd and emo. No, wait, that's so cool. Bro, I should have said that. Got scared of cutting hair, though. So why I like, ended up actually, like, choosing to stick with consulting. I think it's just, I really like how dynamic it is. So I feel like it's fun for me having like, new project every semester and like, I get to sell the projects for the club too. So it's like, actually pretty cool. Reaching out to, I guess, like companies and non profits to work with them short term. And I think beyond that, like, for long term career goals, I definitely want to, like, practice clinically, but I'm not completely sure if I want to stay practicing clinically forever. And I think I do want to end up a little bit more on like, the business and tax side of medicine. Oh, okay. Interesting. Cool. Did you, like, have. Was there anything else when you were a kid that you feel, like, could have contributed? I mean, I feel like family is always, like, a big, like, influence. Like, kind of like how your mom. I'm sure it was, like, a huge influence. Like, my dad was heavy on, like, bio research, which is why I got into that in the first place. He was at UCSD doing, like, dermatology research. And as a kid, I was, like, just following him in the lab. Like, he didn't want to hire, like, a caretaker, and so he was like, you know what? Just sit in my office. And so me and my brother would just sit in his office every single day. And I think just watching him commit to that kind of life was so interesting to me. And that's kind of why I tried it out myself. Like, he works so hard, and to this day, every single conversation that I have to my dad, with my dad, even, like, dinner, lunch, whatever, is, like, about his research, like, he's so committed to the craft. I feel like it's so admirable to me. Oh, my God. Wait, that's so cool. I feel like I had the same experience because, like, when my mom was in residency, she would bring, like, for her overnight shift sometimes if she couldn't get a sitter to, like, the radiology reading room. And I would just, like, sleep on chairs, and I just, like, watch her read cases. Yeah. So I think that's her office. Sometimes she works from home. Her office is, like, behind my room. So, like, if I'm like, oh, mom, blah, blah. If I want to bother her, I go to her office, and she's like. She has, like, these CTs pulled up. Dang. Wait, that's so cool. You're like, that's just like, I'm so used to that. And sometimes you'll be like. And then you come here, I want to, like, show you something. Yeah. She gets excited. Like, if they're funnier cases, sometimes, like, people will swallow chicken bones. So she'll, like, show me that, like, sans hip and all. Cool. Thanks for agreeing to meet today. Oh. Yeah. Identified. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait. That's so cool. Interesting. Wait, is there a reason why you don't want to go into, like, radiology? Is it just because it's so uncertain right now? It's mainly the uncertainty, I think, like, also just surgery is definitely, like, a love for me. Okay. It's love for you. Got you. He's, like, actively being like, dude, I'm a radiologist. I don't know if this field is going to survive at the, like, the way that it's been surviving when you get here. Yeah. So I think she thinks that it's not really the move, but I think, like, at least with the background that I've tried to develop in, like, CS and econ, I think it, like, that should set me up if I really wanted to, for sure. But I just don't think it's really worth the uncertainty. And honestly, I could tell you for sure, like, radiologists are using AI programs a lot, and they are getting very good. Dang. Okay. I don't know how long it'll last. For me, being able to kind of leverage, like, what I've already been doing and then convert that to a consulting internship will put me on like a better path towards that for now. So I think that's why I ended up recruiting consulting and Then it worked out for me, so. Yeah, that's true. The tools get better. Like, right now, the tools aren't the best, so obviously we still need radiologists, but. Yeah. And the. The way. Or, like, the pace that AI is accelerating, I think is. We'll see. Like, I can't say for sure, but, yeah, it's definitely interesting. Cool. Yeah, I guess, like, I just thought of, like, other questions about, like, if you've ever done, like, research and stuff at cool labs, but I have to hop on to, like. No, no, you're so good. You're so good right now. Yeah. You can just text me whenever. Like, I'll respond, so don't worry. Oh, my gosh. Yay. Thank you. Yeah. Have fun at live meeting then. Yeah, of course. It was so great meeting you, Ryan. Yeah. Yeah, you too. Thank you so much for, like, meeting. Text me whenever. Thanks for, like, the referral and, like, thanks for, I guess, helping me figure out what to do with my timeline. No, no, no. You're so good. I'll definitely connect with the right people so you don't have to worry. Wait. Thank you. Cool. Awesome. Okay. All right, bye. See you. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. Like, I'm. No, I like that plan. That's awesome. Wait, that's. That's actually awesome. Interesting. Like, were you interested in, like, I'm assuming since, you know, you applied to play me as, like, a high schooler? Like, was consulting part of that dream as well, or did you kind of dream of becoming a lot? Okay, okay, I see. I see. I feel like. I think initially when I applied, I really was, like, very, very, like, into just getting to med school as fast as possible, which just, like, that same vein. I think it's still true. Like, I still really want to get to med school asap. Yeah. But I think coming to college, that's when I realized, like, I have time to side quest a bit before med school. I just have time to kill, you know? Yeah, of course. It's nice to meet you. Yeah. So I think because of that. That's why. And also, that's. But I did know that I wanted to come in csecon. Oh, okay. I really like my CS classes. I just feel bad that I haven't been able to do that much with it beyond just, like, a couple, like, personal projects. Yeah. Or just, like, assisting with research. Okay, interesting. Wait, why did you want to do csecon? I guess so I applied econ and bio. Like, I always knew that I wanted to do econ. Okay. I did DECA and stuff in high school. I don't know if you've heard of deca. Yeah. How are you doing? Yeah, I've heard. I've definitely heard of deca. Yeah. So I did deca in high school. I really like my econ class in high school. So I was like, okay, I definitely want to do this in college. And then after I got into Pliny, I was like, omg, slay. I realized that they're so flexible. Yeah. Dropping bio because why would I do that if I'm already gonna, like, learn everything necessary for med school when I get to med school? Yep. So that's like, oh, like, what can I combine with econ? So I wanted to add CS because I feel like. I think it's just, like, a really useful, like, field to have some involvement in, like, right now in this day and age, but also, like, it's a fun application of math, and I've always really liked math, but I think I was, like, too chicken to do pure math. So I feel like it ended up being pretty perfect for me. That's good. Interesting. And did you want to become a doctor, like, as, like, a child, or did you have, like, a different dream as a child. Wait, I did want to become a doctor as a child. I think there's like a period of time where I really wanted to be a lawyer. And honestly. Oh, okay. Maybe I would, like, if I wanted to. I'm doing well. I feel like the summer is winding down, so I'll have to head back to lodge soon. So I'm, like, happy and kind of sad about that because I'm gonna miss the summer, but I'm excited to see my friends. Yeah. Maybe I would drop everything. There was like, when did you graduate? I just graduated, like, 2026. So a couple months ago. Yeah. No way. Yeah. Okay. So do you know Mateo Idk. His last name, but he was president of ple Senate before, like last year. I might have heard his name. He's, like, younger than me. Right. I think he's like, class of 2025. 2024 or. Sorry, 2020. He's seven year old. Okay, okay. So if you were a senior this past year. He was a junior. Okay, so 2027. I see, I see. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Wait, what are you doing this summer, by the way? Okay. So he ended up dropping out of PLE in the middle of junior year because he wanted to go to law school. And then really, like, so after, like, in the middle of second semester, he gave up the, like, Senate presidency. Whatever. Yeah. Because he was like, yeah, a little. Sorry, you guys. Like, I'm just going to have. Interesting. And we were like, whoa. So I think there's like, a lot of people like that and there's a lot of, like, public health people as you. Yes. 100. Yeah. So I feel like that's, like, very cool. But I think because I waited too long and I didn't really do too much with law in college. That's not my realm anymore. Yeah. So I think I've been like, okay, I'll see that. This summer I was just doing research back home. I lived near the Philly area. Okay, interesting. But I did really want to be a doctor growing up, and I think I solidified that. Yeah. What about you? Like, I want to hear more about you. Oh, about me. Okay. I guess for me it's a similar story for you, like, as you, like, I think, going into college. So I applied as, like a bio major, just pure bio. And then I was, like, talking to a lot of my friends, and in my high school, there's a lot of, like, computer science people, and they all told me to, like, just try it out just because, like, I'm in the program, I have the flexibility. And I was like, you know what? Why not? Let's just try it out? And I ended up really liking it just because, like, I think with medicine, what I think is that the. The value of it is it's like a job of service. You're able to help people. But what I realized with computer science is that, like, the impact that you can have can scale like you can build products that impact billions instead of like helping one on one. Like, obviously, like, you know, it's very different. But I think just having that massive impact kind of swayed me. And so that's why I did computer science in college. I did a couple internships. Right now I'm in the Google office. Let me know if you ever want to visit. But see, I'm just taking a gap year. I'm still. I just deferred my acceptance to medical school. But yeah, I think I'm gonna have a conversation with Dean Jang. My plan is that I don't want to drop it right now because, like, I think becoming a doctor is like a pretty special kind of job. I think it's like a very noble job compared to other occupations. And the other thing about software engineering is that, like, I'm just not sure whether I love corporate, but I think that's like what I'm trying to figure out like this year. So that's like the gist of my story. Wait, what state are you from? Are you from Cali? Yeah, yeah, Yeah. I knew it. You were like, oh, I was like thinking about CS because a lot of people in my high school wanted to do cs and I feel like that's such a California. It is 100%. Are you from Bay Area?